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Interview of Phillip Martin, August 19, 2022

Interviewed by David Webb
Phil Martin served southeast Kansas, as county treasurer, senator, appraiser and and Kansas as the Director of Property Valuation. He influenced major tax changes like reappraisal & classification and the implementation of the severance tax while in state government. In this oral history interview, he recalls people with whom he served and the issues that arose during his years of public service.

Interview of Ed McKechnie, February 9, 2024

Interviewed by Chris Courtwright
This lengthy and wide-ranging interview is full of interesting stories about how the legislature worked when its leaders realized the House Democrats were in the majority by one vote (1990 election) with a new Democratic governor. The 1991-92 session was historic because of the major changes in property taxes and school finance. McKechnie built relationships across the aisle which helped him accomplish things and pass legislation. His interview is replete with descriptions of legislators with whom he worked. McKechnie served on the Kansas Bioscience Authority and after its demise, on the Kansas Board of Regents. Show More He discussed the transition of the University of Kansas Hospital to being designated a major cancer center. One particularly interesting story for football fans is about the major conference realignment that occurred from 2011 to 2012. He described in detail the negotiations over which university would stay or leave the Big XII. Ordinarily the Regents would not have been involved, but the impact of these decisions was too great to ignore. McKechnie also talks about the decisions the Regents made about raising tuition.

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Interview of Patrick (Pat) Hubbell, April 9, 2025

Interviewed by Mike Lennen
Long-time lobbyist, Pat Hubbell described in this 2025 oral history interview, how lobbyists work, how they interact with legislators and other advocates, and the importance of this "at the rail" dynamic of the Kansas Legislature. Hubbell's chief clients were railroads but he had others. He worked in the 1970's with Kansas US Senators and Representatives in Washington. particularly while the Railroad Revitalization and Regulatory Reform Act of 1976 (4-R Act) was being worked in Congress. At that time, several railroad companies were going bankrupt, and many believed a loss would have been devastating to Show MoreKansas farmers. Railroads have historically played a key role in transporting Kansas agricultural products. During his interview Hubbell said that the railroads were advocating for fair taxation. They wanted to be treated as a competitor in the transportation sector rather than as a monopoly. “Railroads offer a list of opportunities for people locating businesses in Kansas to have rail service.” Hubbell described his philosophy on lobbying: “we try to find an answer that everybody can agree to. . . Just the fact that you have a lobbyist doesn’t mean you ought to be taking a bill every session to the legislature.”

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